{"id":99377,"date":"2026-03-22T19:17:06","date_gmt":"2026-03-22T19:17:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wcginc.com\/?post_type=epkb_post_type_3&#038;p=99377"},"modified":"2026-03-24T09:18:40","modified_gmt":"2026-03-24T09:18:40","slug":"material-participation-hours-that-do-not-count","status":"publish","type":"epkb_post_type_3","link":"https:\/\/wcginc.com\/kb-rental-property\/material-participation-hours-that-do-not-count\/","title":{"rendered":"Material Participation- Hours That Do Not Count"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"ez-toc-container\" class=\"ez-toc-v2_0_85 ez-toc-wrap-right counter-hierarchy ez-toc-counter ez-toc-grey ez-toc-container-direction\">\n<div class=\"ez-toc-title-container\">\n<p class=\"ez-toc-title\" style=\"cursor:inherit\">Table Of Contents<\/p>\n<span class=\"ez-toc-title-toggle\"><\/span><\/div>\n<nav><ul class='ez-toc-list ez-toc-list-level-1 ' ><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-1\" href=\"https:\/\/wcginc.com\/kb-rental-property\/material-participation-hours-that-do-not-count\/#Certain_Sweat_Equity_Time_Does_Not_Count\" >Certain Sweat Equity Time Does Not Count<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-2\" href=\"https:\/\/wcginc.com\/kb-rental-property\/material-participation-hours-that-do-not-count\/#Competence_And_Unrealistic_Hours\" >Competence And Unrealistic Hours<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-3\" href=\"https:\/\/wcginc.com\/kb-rental-property\/material-participation-hours-that-do-not-count\/#Material_Participation_On_Call_Time\" >Material Participation On Call Time<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-4\" href=\"https:\/\/wcginc.com\/kb-rental-property\/material-participation-hours-that-do-not-count\/#I_Just_Got_A_Rental_What_Do_I_Do_2026_Edition\" >I Just Got A Rental, What Do I Do? 2026 Edition<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-5\" href=\"https:\/\/wcginc.com\/kb-rental-property\/material-participation-hours-that-do-not-count\/#Rental_Expert_Pod_the_REP\" >Rental Expert Pod (the REP)<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-6\" href=\"https:\/\/wcginc.com\/kb-rental-property\/material-participation-hours-that-do-not-count\/#Talk_to_a_Real_Estate_CPA_About_Your_Rental_Property\" >Talk to a Real Estate CPA About Your Rental Property<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-7\" href=\"https:\/\/wcginc.com\/kb-rental-property\/material-participation-hours-that-do-not-count\/#Schedule_Discovery_Meeting_Now\" >Schedule Discovery Meeting Now<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/nav><\/div>\n<div class=\"wpb-content-wrapper\"><p>[vc_row][vc_column][vc_column_text css=&#8221;&#8221; woodmart_inline=&#8221;no&#8221; text_larger=&#8221;no&#8221;]<img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-99378 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/wcginc.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/099377_material_particiption_hours_300.jpg\" alt=\"material participation hours that do not count\" width=\"300\" height=\"201\" \/>While it can be difficult to determine what time counts toward material participation, there are some clear examples of time that do not count. At times defining things in the negative is helpful. Here we go-<\/p>\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Certain_Sweat_Equity_Time_Does_Not_Count\"><\/span>Certain Sweat Equity Time Does Not Count<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n<p>Wait! What? Hang in there&#8230; you&#8217;ll see that this is quite trivial, but you need to be aware just the same. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irs.gov\/publications\/p925\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">IRS Publication 925 Passive Activity and At-Risk Rules<\/a>, discusses work that is not normally performed by owners, as well as investor activities versus managerial activities. Here is another blurb from the lovely publication-<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Work not usually performed by owners. You don\u2019t treat the work you do in connection with an activity as participation in the activity if both of the following are true.<\/p>\n<p>The work isn\u2019t work that\u2019s customarily done by the owner of that type of activity.<\/p>\n<p>One of your main reasons for doing the work is to avoid the disallowance of any loss or credit from the activity under the passive activity rules.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>That second component is your escape hatch, right? Do you cuff yourself to your desk as you admit to that? Sure, your 9-5 is anything but a home builder yet you are handy, and can lay down tile with the best of them. The IRS could contend that your tile work is not customarily done by a rental property owner (which is a stretch anyway) but to assert that you installed tile with the sole purpose of puffing up your hours is a virtually groundless assertion.<\/p>\n<p>Said differently, sweat equity certainly counts unless your sole purpose of sweating is to increase participation time which rarely makes sense in the real world (and you would never admit to anyway). As such, this section is a bit silly since this rule is rarely triggered, but one to be aware of just the same.<\/p>\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Competence_And_Unrealistic_Hours\"><\/span>Competence And Unrealistic Hours<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n<p>What if you stink at home improvement? What if you are not a handy guy? In <a href=\"https:\/\/wcginc.com\/wp-content\/documents\/taxcourt\/Lee.v.Commissioner.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Lee v. Commissioner, Tax Court Memo. 2006-193<\/a>, the real estate investor\u2019s time log showed spending 24 hours to replace blinds, 56 hours to replace a kitchen faucet, and over 280 hours to wrap-up the financial statements for tax preparation. The Tax Court found the time entries to be unrealistic and not credible.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, no kidding. Can&#8217;t blame them.<\/p>\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Material_Participation_On_Call_Time\"><\/span>Material Participation On Call Time<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n<p>In <a href=\"https:\/\/wcginc.com\/wp-content\/documents\/taxcourt\/Moss.v.Commissioner.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Moss v. Commissioner, 135 Tax Court 365 (2010)<\/a>, the rental property owner argued that he should be permitted to include hours spent &#8220;on call,&#8221; when a tenant could contact him if necessary. The court denied the tax position because the taxpayer was not actually performing services during those hours<\/p>\n<p>While Moss was specifically fighting to count these hours toward his 750-hour Real Estate Professional Status (REPS) requirement, the court\u2019s logic applies broadly to material participation analysis as well. The overarching lesson here is that watching football while waiting for the phone to ring is not participation, whether you are trying to hit 100 hours or 750 hours.<\/p>\n<p>To repeat ourselves, and to buttress the court\u2019s contention in Moss, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.law.cornell.edu\/cfr\/text\/26\/1.469-9\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Treasury Regulations Section 1.469-9(b)(4)<\/a> states-<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">(4) Personal services.<br \/>\nPersonal services means any work performed by an individual in connection with a trade or business. However, personal services do not include any work performed by an individual in the individual&#8217;s capacity as an investor as described in \u00a7 1.469-5T(f)(2)(ii).<\/p>\n<p>Keep that personal services threshold in mind. Dreaming of your rentals doesn\u2019t cut it. 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Advisors,<\/strong> a boutique yet progressive tax, accounting and <\/em><em>rental property consultation and real estate CPA firm with over 90 team members and 7 partners headquartered in Colorado serving real estate investors worldwide.<\/em><\/p>\n<div style=\"display: flex; justify-content: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/jason-watson-cpa\/\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-17327 entered lazyloaded\" style=\"height: 35px!important; width: auto!important;\" src=\"https:\/\/wcginc.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/linkedin-150x150-1.png.webp\" alt=\"Jason Watson CPA LinkedIn\" \/><\/a>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<a href=\"mailto:jason@wcginc.com\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-thumbnail wp-image-17334 entered lazyloaded\" style=\"height: 35px!important; width: auto!important;\" src=\"https:\/\/wcginc.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/mail-150x150-1.png.webp\" alt=\"Jason Watson CPA Email\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<style><\/style>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t[\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column]\t\t\t<div class=\"info-box-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t<div id=\"wd-69d3e2e584de8\" class=\" wd-rs-69d3e2e584de8 wd-info-box wd-wpb text-left box-icon-align-top box-style- color-scheme- wd-bg-none border-btm-title img-right kb \">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"info-box-content\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"info-box-title title wd-font-weight-800 box-title-style-default font-primary wd-fontsize-m\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"I_Just_Got_A_Rental_What_Do_I_Do_2026_Edition\"><\/span>I Just Got A Rental, What Do I Do? 2026 Edition<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"info-box-inner reset-last-child\"><p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-100749 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/wcginc.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/Web-and-Social-GFX-2026_300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"360\" \/>This KB article is an excerpt from our 530+ page book (yeah, thick, there are some picture pages, but no scratch and sniff) which was <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>updated April 5, 2026<\/strong><\/span>, and is available in paperback from <a href=\"https:\/\/wcginc.com\/amazon-rental\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Amazon<\/a>, as an eBook for\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/wcginc.com\/kindle-rental\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Kindle<\/a>\u00a0and as a\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/wcginc.com\/pdf-rental\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">PDF<\/a>\u00a0from ClickBank. We used to publish with iTunes and Nook, but keeping up with two different formats was brutal. You can cruise through these KB articles online, click on the fancy buttons below or\u00a0<a href=\"\/business-services\/book\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">visit our webpage<\/a>\u00a0which provides more information.<\/p>\n<table class=\"purchase-table\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"\/amazon-rental\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-6657 aligncenter\" style=\"float: none;\" src=\"https:\/\/wcginc.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/amazon-imageresized.png.webp\" alt=\"I Just Got A Rental, What Do I Do? 2025 Edition | Amazon version\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<td style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"\/kindle-rental\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-6658\" style=\"float: none;\" src=\"https:\/\/wcginc.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/kindle-imageresized.png.webp\" alt=\"I Just Got A Rental, What Do I Do? 2025 Edition | Kindle Version\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<td style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"\/pdf-rental\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-6659 aligncenter\" style=\"float: none;\" src=\"https:\/\/wcginc.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/PDFresized.png.webp\" alt=\"I Just Got A Rental, What Do I Do? 2025 Edition | PDF version\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>$32.95<\/strong><\/td>\n<td style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>$21.95<\/strong><\/td>\n<td style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>$18.95<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<style><\/style>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t[\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column]\t\t\t<div class=\"info-box-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t<div id=\"wd-68e97e561482c\" class=\" wd-rs-68e97e561482c wd-info-box wd-wpb text-left box-icon-align-top box-style- color-scheme- wd-bg-none border-btm-title img-right kb \">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"info-box-content\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"info-box-title title wd-font-weight-800 box-title-style-default font-primary wd-fontsize-m\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Rental_Expert_Pod_the_REP\"><\/span>Rental Expert Pod (the REP)<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"info-box-inner reset-last-child\"><p>WCG's tax team structure is built around Pods \u2014 small, agile groups of tax professionals (4-6 total) who embrace team camaraderie while achieving client intimacy. 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